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  • Jimbo711
    7:32pm - Mon Mar 26th, 2012
    Objection!
    Mr. Core,

    I have listened to your commentaries on WTOP for a few years now and 95% of the time I've found them to be enlightening. However, the comments you made during this evenings drive home did not get that result and I suggest that before you make a statement on how Florida's gun law is bad that you read the law and inform your listeners as to the exact wording so they get to make their own decision. I have read this law along with the "Castle Doctrine" laws of several states. I have also seen the police report from the 1st arriving officer on the scene of Trayvon Martin's shooting. What we can't find out is the extent of Mr. Martin's juvenile records because they're sealed.

    The afore mentioned police report states Mr. Zimmerman had a bloodied nose and that the back of his jacket was wet with grass on it. Reading this I can tell that this incident is not as cut and dry as it has been portrayed by the media and I blame the media for inciting the public without telling the whole story.

    Florida's "Stand your ground" law clearly says a law-abiding citizen can use deadly force if "if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

    I will say that shortly after your commentary, WTOP finally reported that a witness has come forward and it seems Mr. Zimmerman's account of the incident has been corroberated.
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  • Wm55
    7:45am - Tue Mar 27th, 2012
    Get the facts first.
    Way to go Chris. Join the rest of the pundits weighing in on a subject without knowing all the facts.
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  • obxfshr
    8:18am - Tue Mar 27th, 2012
    Stand Your Ground is not the issue here.
    Chris,

    No one knows was there that night except 2 people (and one of them is dead).

    In my opinion what you, and the rest of the media punditry, is incorrect about is the applicability of the Stand Your Ground law and this case. It is being used as a political tool to advance political causes and further divide racial lines.

    The first thing to set straight is that Martin was not the adorable 12 year old boy in the red shirt as the media portrays in the pictures circulated. He was a 17 year old, 200lb football player with a history of trouble and was allegedly suspended from school for pot when he was shot. Reports are now surfacing of eyewitnesses and 911 tapes reporting that Zimmerman was on the ground and being attacked by Martin. The reports say that Martin had Zimmerman on the ground and was beating his head into the ground and punching him in the face. That is consistent with his broken nose, gashed head and wet shirt back at the time when police arrived.

    If this in fact is the case, the stand your ground is not a valid argument. Stand your ground simply means that you do not have a duty to retreat from an attacker BEFORE the attack. When you are being attacked, duty to retreat (Stand Your Ground) goes out the window and your right to self defense takes over. This is simply a case of self defense and nothing more.

    For a justified self defense case, there must be 4 conditions that need to be met. They are Ability, Opportunity, Jeopardy, and Preclusion(Intent). Mr Martin had the ability to do physical harm to Zimmerman even though he wasn't harmed. This is demonstrated by him taking him to the ground and beating him. A 200lb football player would have no issues doing this. He had the opportunity as he was on top of him at the time he was demonstrating his ability. Mr. Martin was in jeopardy of his life as demonstrated by having his head bashing into the ground. Mr Martin had the intent(preclusion) as demonstrated again by beating him onto the ground. If Zimmerman had not shot him, he would be dead right now.

    If you put the question out to any and all police officers in the area what they would do if they were in the same situation as Zimmerman (someone on top of them beating their head into the ground) and their answer will be that they would shoot the attacker, bar none.

    Would you have posted anything if Martin had the gun and Zimmerman had been shot, No. In that case it would have been just another statistic for the State of Florida. This is being made into a "white" (actually Zimmerman is Hispanic but the media is ignoring that) on black racial issue but had it been black on white none of us would have heard about it.

    Rick
    Bristow, VA
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  • DCMDVA1
    10:03am - Tue Mar 27th, 2012
    You need to be aware of these too
    Fact 1: The dead teenager is 150lbs not 200. The killer was 200 lbs.

    Fact 2: The pursuer was told by 911 not to chase the teenager as police is already dispatched and are on their way. There was no need for him to chase the boy, but he chose to do the same.

    Fact 3: You have hinted about the history of trouble for the dead teenager. You also need to know that the killer has equally troubled past with law enforcement. Neither of this is relevant or justify the killing.

    Fact 4: If the teenager had killed George and was caught red handed, do you think he will be roaming around free under the pretext of self defense.

    Fact 5: You either did not know or did not care to know that the dead teenager was unarmed and its extremely unlikely to kill anyone with Skittles within the next few minutes when the police officers arrived.

    Fact 6: Media has reported correctly and extensively that he is White Hispanic. His dad is White and Mom is Hispanic. They have let the readers to choose the killers identity which can be either White or Hispanic or both.
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  • DCMDVA1
    11:32am - Tue Mar 27th, 2012
    Note the following too.
    Fact 1: The dead teenager is 150lbs not 200. The killer was 200 lbs.

    Fact 2: The pursuer was told by 911 not to chase the teenager as police is already dispatched and are on their way. There was no need for him to chase the boy, but he chose to do the same.

    Fact 3: You have hinted about the history of trouble for the dead teenager. You also need to know that the killer has equally troubled past with law enforcement. Neither of this is relevant or justify the killing.

    Fact 4: If the teenager had killed George and was caught red handed, do you think he will be roaming around free under the pretext of self defense.

    Fact 5: You either did not know or did not care to know that the dead teenager was unarmed and its extremely unlikely to kill anyone with Skittles within the next few minutes when the police officers arrived.

    Fact 6: Media has reported correctly and extensively that he is White Hispanic. His dad is White and Mom is Hispanic. They have let the readers to choose the killers identity which can be either White or Hispanic or both.
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